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	<title>Comments on: Hey, You Got Your Charcoal Feathers In My Symbiotic Alien Being [Haibane Renmei and XamD]</title>
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	<description>Avid otaku resistance in the face of indisputable fanboyism. Love for fringe anime, assorted manga and numerous other Japanese diversions.</description>
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		<title>By: Hige</title>
		<link>http://higevsotaku.com/?p=229&#038;cpage=1#comment-1290</link>
		<dc:creator>Hige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steven Den Beste: I appreciate the rationale behind the first episodes and agree they aim mainly to lay foundations. I just wasn’t caught enough in them to carry on when I first attempted to watch Haibane. In retrospect they are obviously quite important, particularly Kuu’s screen-time, but it’s a hard sell when most people abide a three-episode rule with new shows. I remember my flatmate, who isn’t a ‘proper’ anime fan, became disinterested around the same point I did. Haibane is brilliant in many ways, but those first few episodes have a lot of problems.

@lelangir: I will sit down and give Eureka Seven a fair chance one of these days. Too many people with tastes I respect like it too much for me to dismiss it out of hand. And while that epic length allows for a lot of rewarding involvement it’s also pretty intimidating to make a start on. Especially if the show doesn’t immediately grab you by the balls. It will be done one of these days, though. I haven’t seen any of Kimi ga Nozomu Eien. . . might have to have a wee investigation, as I’m obviously gay for the broken homes.

@Martin: Haha, I’m glad you commented on this post. I thought as I wrote about Haibane that if it didn’t tempt a response from you then I would’ve failed. I’ve actually read the original doujinshi – I went straight to them when the first DVD didn’t set my passions alight. I love ABe’s manga but the self-consciousness commentary grates a little with its false-modesty. Still, loved it and might have a reread as a farewell epilogue to the series. Duly noted on Natsume Yuujinchou. I really want this season to be not as shit as it is, so any recommendation is welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steven Den Beste: I appreciate the rationale behind the first episodes and agree they aim mainly to lay foundations. I just wasn’t caught enough in them to carry on when I first attempted to watch Haibane. In retrospect they are obviously quite important, particularly Kuu’s screen-time, but it’s a hard sell when most people abide a three-episode rule with new shows. I remember my flatmate, who isn’t a ‘proper’ anime fan, became disinterested around the same point I did. Haibane is brilliant in many ways, but those first few episodes have a lot of problems.</p>
<p>@lelangir: I will sit down and give Eureka Seven a fair chance one of these days. Too many people with tastes I respect like it too much for me to dismiss it out of hand. And while that epic length allows for a lot of rewarding involvement it’s also pretty intimidating to make a start on. Especially if the show doesn’t immediately grab you by the balls. It will be done one of these days, though. I haven’t seen any of Kimi ga Nozomu Eien. . . might have to have a wee investigation, as I’m obviously gay for the broken homes.</p>
<p>@Martin: Haha, I’m glad you commented on this post. I thought as I wrote about Haibane that if it didn’t tempt a response from you then I would’ve failed. I’ve actually read the original doujinshi – I went straight to them when the first DVD didn’t set my passions alight. I love ABe’s manga but the self-consciousness commentary grates a little with its false-modesty. Still, loved it and might have a reread as a farewell epilogue to the series. Duly noted on Natsume Yuujinchou. I really want this season to be not as shit as it is, so any recommendation is welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://higevsotaku.com/?p=229&#038;cpage=1#comment-1289</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Epic comment coming up. An excellent and long-overdue post like this deserves one.

Eureka Seven is fantastic, but its length requires a lot of investment in terms of time (which means I probably won&#039;t be able to rewatch it any time soon) and in terms of sticking by Renton, especially through his early immature phase. If it hadn&#039;t aimed for a young audience who dug the surfer chic aesthetic, I think we would have ended up with another show accused of ripping off NGE again (which reminds me, my RahXephon defence rant is long overdue). I dug the Kawamori mecha designs being the Macross fanboy that I am though, and there&#039;s a lot of references to politics and pop culture (the Joy Division reference for instance gave me the chills). The characterisation was superb though - there&#039;s the Renton/Eureka pairing of course but Holland/Talho and Anemone/Dominic left just as lasting an impression on me.

Xam&#039;d does seem to correct some of E7&#039;s shortcomings - it&#039;s shorter, the characters are a bit more mature and the family issues are an interesting addition; the two shows are similar enough to make me confident in it however. I&#039;d also recommend the currently airing Natsume Yuujinchou in terms of relaxing comedy-drama with a supernatural slant - Mushishi-lite is the best summing-up I can give it right now.

I can only agree with your appraisal of Haibane though - I&#039;m just glad you appreciate it as much as I do because it really does deserve to have the term &#039;Special&#039; capitalised. The animation quality really does make me glad it&#039;s not an action-packed series - check out the original doujinshi if you get the chance because the gorgeousness of ABe&#039;s artwork will make your eyes bleed fanboyish adoration. If only the magic of his artwork could be captured by pictures that actually *move*...

The levels of meaning and symbolism are virtually unparalleled I think, yet pretty accessible for a show that drifts just off the maintstream. There&#039;s this serene and timeless iyashikei atmosphere that&#039;s tempered so well with the dark shadows lurking around the edges that really appeals to me. I think it&#039;s one of the very few series or films that resonates with me on every level - the themes, character interaction, art style (minus that cheapish animation) and music just clicked in a way that few others have done. I tried to put my reverence for it into a blog post a while back, but only partially succeeded.

And welcome back again. This sort of post reminds me how eerily similar our views are, right down to &quot;...there’s an obvious theme developing in my love for certain beauteous raven-haired train wrecks...&quot; *laughs* Honestly, it scares me; someday we&#039;ll find out we&#039;re long-lost cousins or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Epic comment coming up. An excellent and long-overdue post like this deserves one.</p>
<p>Eureka Seven is fantastic, but its length requires a lot of investment in terms of time (which means I probably won&#8217;t be able to rewatch it any time soon) and in terms of sticking by Renton, especially through his early immature phase. If it hadn&#8217;t aimed for a young audience who dug the surfer chic aesthetic, I think we would have ended up with another show accused of ripping off NGE again (which reminds me, my RahXephon defence rant is long overdue). I dug the Kawamori mecha designs being the Macross fanboy that I am though, and there&#8217;s a lot of references to politics and pop culture (the Joy Division reference for instance gave me the chills). The characterisation was superb though &#8211; there&#8217;s the Renton/Eureka pairing of course but Holland/Talho and Anemone/Dominic left just as lasting an impression on me.</p>
<p>Xam&#8217;d does seem to correct some of E7&#8242;s shortcomings &#8211; it&#8217;s shorter, the characters are a bit more mature and the family issues are an interesting addition; the two shows are similar enough to make me confident in it however. I&#8217;d also recommend the currently airing Natsume Yuujinchou in terms of relaxing comedy-drama with a supernatural slant &#8211; Mushishi-lite is the best summing-up I can give it right now.</p>
<p>I can only agree with your appraisal of Haibane though &#8211; I&#8217;m just glad you appreciate it as much as I do because it really does deserve to have the term &#8216;Special&#8217; capitalised. The animation quality really does make me glad it&#8217;s not an action-packed series &#8211; check out the original doujinshi if you get the chance because the gorgeousness of ABe&#8217;s artwork will make your eyes bleed fanboyish adoration. If only the magic of his artwork could be captured by pictures that actually *move*&#8230;</p>
<p>The levels of meaning and symbolism are virtually unparalleled I think, yet pretty accessible for a show that drifts just off the maintstream. There&#8217;s this serene and timeless iyashikei atmosphere that&#8217;s tempered so well with the dark shadows lurking around the edges that really appeals to me. I think it&#8217;s one of the very few series or films that resonates with me on every level &#8211; the themes, character interaction, art style (minus that cheapish animation) and music just clicked in a way that few others have done. I tried to put my reverence for it into a blog post a while back, but only partially succeeded.</p>
<p>And welcome back again. This sort of post reminds me how eerily similar our views are, right down to &#8220;&#8230;there’s an obvious theme developing in my love for certain beauteous raven-haired train wrecks&#8230;&#8221; *laughs* Honestly, it scares me; someday we&#8217;ll find out we&#8217;re long-lost cousins or something.</p>
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		<title>By: lelangir</title>
		<link>http://higevsotaku.com/?p=229&#038;cpage=1#comment-1286</link>
		<dc:creator>lelangir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Plus I’m always fascinated by anime that touches on the issue of divorce.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Jokingly, then, &lt;em&gt;Kimi ga Nozomu Eien&lt;/em&gt; becomes utterly fantastic.

Unlike Author I ended up marathoning &lt;em&gt;Dennou Coil&lt;/em&gt;; the hige episode was the best filler ever, on par with the weirdness (awesomeness) of &lt;em&gt;Kure-nai&lt;/em&gt;&#039;s episodes 6-7. In any case I&#039;d probably say &lt;em&gt;Haibane Renmei&lt;/em&gt; is Special, as you put it, or at least more so than DC. 

As for &lt;em&gt;Eureka 7&lt;/em&gt; and it being my favorite...well...I don&#039;t know why it&#039;s my favorite, even with it&#039;s weird (terrible?[-ly paced]) ending &#039;n all. I guess the whole 50 episodes thing really does draw you in, in perhaps a way I&#039;m hoping LoGH will, that is once I have the motivation to start it. Though &lt;em&gt;Xam&#039;d&lt;/em&gt; is only 24 or so episodes long it may still be able to have that &quot;epically long&quot; effect as TTGL did - in that case I think it was a good part to have the breadth of the story span a number of decades. 

Anyway, it&#039;s good to see you&#039;ve gotten an internetz again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Plus I’m always fascinated by anime that touches on the issue of divorce.</p></blockquote>
<p>Jokingly, then, <em>Kimi ga Nozomu Eien</em> becomes utterly fantastic.</p>
<p>Unlike Author I ended up marathoning <em>Dennou Coil</em>; the hige episode was the best filler ever, on par with the weirdness (awesomeness) of <em>Kure-nai</em>&#8216;s episodes 6-7. In any case I&#8217;d probably say <em>Haibane Renmei</em> is Special, as you put it, or at least more so than DC. </p>
<p>As for <em>Eureka 7</em> and it being my favorite&#8230;well&#8230;I don&#8217;t know why it&#8217;s my favorite, even with it&#8217;s weird (terrible?[-ly paced]) ending &#8216;n all. I guess the whole 50 episodes thing really does draw you in, in perhaps a way I&#8217;m hoping LoGH will, that is once I have the motivation to start it. Though <em>Xam&#8217;d</em> is only 24 or so episodes long it may still be able to have that &#8220;epically long&#8221; effect as TTGL did &#8211; in that case I think it was a good part to have the breadth of the story span a number of decades. </p>
<p>Anyway, it&#8217;s good to see you&#8217;ve gotten an internetz again.</p>
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		<title>By: Hige vs. Otaku&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bloody RSS [Epic Facepalm of Despair]</title>
		<link>http://higevsotaku.com/?p=229&#038;cpage=1#comment-1285</link>
		<dc:creator>Hige vs. Otaku&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bloody RSS [Epic Facepalm of Despair]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steven Den Beste</title>
		<link>http://higevsotaku.com/?p=229&#038;cpage=1#comment-1284</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Den Beste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you watch Haibane Renmei again (and you will) you&#039;ll find that there&#039;s a lot of foreshadowing you didn&#039;t notice the first time. Like in the first episode, when Reki tells the others that they need to clean the room before the cocoon hatches because it would be a shame to be born in the middle of such a mess.

There wasn&#039;t any emphasis on that line, and I bet you didn&#039;t even remember it until I pointed it out just now. But now you&#039;ve seen the show, you understand how pregnant that line really is.

The first four episodes seem to be filler, but they&#039;re not. They&#039;re filling in story and laying groundwork and letting us get to know characters, so that when the story &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; starts, in ep 6, we are ready to understand what we see.

I was astounded by how much different the show was for me the second time through. It&#039;s as amazing an experience as the first time, but a different experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you watch Haibane Renmei again (and you will) you&#8217;ll find that there&#8217;s a lot of foreshadowing you didn&#8217;t notice the first time. Like in the first episode, when Reki tells the others that they need to clean the room before the cocoon hatches because it would be a shame to be born in the middle of such a mess.</p>
<p>There wasn&#8217;t any emphasis on that line, and I bet you didn&#8217;t even remember it until I pointed it out just now. But now you&#8217;ve seen the show, you understand how pregnant that line really is.</p>
<p>The first four episodes seem to be filler, but they&#8217;re not. They&#8217;re filling in story and laying groundwork and letting us get to know characters, so that when the story <i>really</i> starts, in ep 6, we are ready to understand what we see.</p>
<p>I was astounded by how much different the show was for me the second time through. It&#8217;s as amazing an experience as the first time, but a different experience.</p>
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